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In defense of Salvia divinorum

I recently gave an interview on Salvia divinorum with a focus on its current legal situation. In the event the report is negatively skewed, I posted my notes to my blog and would like to share them here for your review to be certain my version is available. I welcome your feedback.

I did my interview today and am pretty pleased with how it went. At first it seemed the interviewer's primary interest was my perspective as the proprietor of Gaian Botanicals. I tried not to focus too much on that and steered the focus more on the plant and the issues around it.

I asked the journalist if he had tried Salvia divinorum? Unfortunately he replied with a no. I recommended that any professional investigator preparing a national story on an ineffable experience should at least invest 15 minutes and try the herb already. It's like someone reporting on a religion and the person being interviewed said, "Do you want to meet god?" And the interviewer says, "No." Why wouldn't you? It’s safe and legal. I don't believe anyone could possibly comprehend the Salvia experience without direct experience with it. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. That’s his personal and private choice, but I hope he does.

He had all the scientific literature so there was really no point in repeating what he already knew.

I made it clear the Salvia divinorum is NOT like any other psychedelic.

This includes Marijuana, LSD, Magic Mushrooms or any other of the known psychedelics. This analogy is all too commonly used by the media and is more inaccurate then claiming all food tastes the same and has the same nutritional properties or that all medicine is the same. These analogies are absurd.

I continued with the question, why make Salvia divinorum illegal? It is likely that globally at least a million of people have tried it in some form. No one has died, became ill, addicted, mentally deranged or suffered any other from of disability due to Salvia. This is even with production of extracts and cultivation being somewhat underground. Not regulated like what's offered at your corner store and still no ill effects with Salvia; the stuff sold by pharmacy is probably more toxic.

The government technically does not have the authority to declare something Schedule 1 unless it’s a hazard to public safety, is proven to be addictive, and has NO medical use. Salvia divinorum is not a threat, it is not addictive and has demonstrated significant potential medical use in the treatment of depression and addiction, among other possibilities. The medical field will not be able to adequately determine what the best use for this plant is until they have had an opportunity to do a thorough investigation.

This plant is unique. Salvinorin A is a diterpenoid which acts as a kappa opioid receptor agonist. This is important because it is the first known compound with such action that is not an alkaloid. Most of the known hallucinogens are tryptamines and phenethylamines which act on the serotonergic system, and all are alkaloids. This means that Salvia represents a unique pharmacological interaction previously unknown to science, making it extremely valuable to all humanity.

Most legislators argue Salvia is similar to illegal substances so it too should be illegal. The Federal government already has a law that makes any substance similar to illegal substances also illegal -- it’s called the Analog Act -- but Salvia is not similar in shape or function to any other known drug. This proves, as previously mentioned, that Salvia is special.

Keep in mind when drugs are made illegal, they are not only restricted for use by ordinary people, they are also restricted from scientific study. Recently a few scientific studies have been allowed for DMT, Psilocybin and MDMA, but it took years of public lobbying and private financing to make these meager studies a reality. But because of these studies the powers that be have been forced to admit that these substances may have actual medical use(?). Of course, this is something people who have tried them already know.

My friend Fraser Clark once said only two things can change a person in a single instant: Psychoactive drugs, and direct religious experience. The greatest transformation would then come via a synthesis of these two: a religious experience created by psychoactive drugs. This is a very true observation. These are indeed powerful tools.

As of today we have let over thirty years of potential scientific study be wasted and left to the underground. In a field of medicine that can aid victims of war, rape, sexual abuse, assault, and trauma, the government has turned its back and said No. These are medicines that can reduce the anxieties of the terminally ill, and help them come to better terms with their death. These are drugs that can put a dent in drug addiction and alcoholism, and can make families more loving, healthy and happy. What is to fear by rational, regulated use?

Thirty years of scientific and medical progress lost, all due to paranoia?

The issue here is not that Salvia is threat to public safety; the issue is that the establishment fears psychedelics. Free thinking isn’t conducive to controlling a population. They want everyone to fit within the cultural paradigm of being consumer robots who play the game and follow the rules without questioning authority or higher motives. In the '60s and '70s the Government wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam and large parts of the population were using psychedelics and forming opinions in direct contrast to that ideology. The propaganda was no longer effective; turned-on people would no longer tolerate the actions of their government. Therefore the government had to put an end to it all. Of course many mistakes were made by the drug users of that era. It was all too new. We know much more about these things now.

California and Maine have taken very reasonable and wise steps in regulating Salvia: No sales to minors. Everyone in the Salvia divinorum community applauds these measures for their logic and restraint. We hate to see kids acting stupid on YouTube as much as anyone else. I myself wish Salvia were inaccessible to minors, but I also recognize it is an impossible rule to enforce. I am a parent and I don't want my kids experimenting without supervision. My wife and I are very involved with our children's life and take the responsibility to educate them and raise them to make wise decisions. My interest in entheogens is private, I don't talk about or use anything in their presence. If and when they are responsible adults it will be their (hopefully legal) choice to explore this domain. If that is the case I will be glad that I have some wisdom and guidance to offer them; it will be more than most parents have to offer.

When it comes to teens, some will always be determined to get high. If Salvia is what they get their hands on, then that's what it is. It's better than paint, glue, huffing, computer duster inhaling, prescription drug abuse, or even worse ways to get stupidly loaded. Instead of weird old Salvia they could get caught up in dangerous and addictive drugs that damage mind and body and favor criminal lifestyles. That’s not what Salvia is and it's not what Salvia will ever be. Not in the least. This distinction is crucial; Salvia is not that kind of drug.

In many ways the Salvia fight is a about Americans blindly surrendering their rights and not caring about freedom; not even knowing what freedom is. We have become so conditioned to doing what we are told we know no other way. As the late Terence McKenna (may have) said, "If the words '...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...' don't include cognitive liberty, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." I didn’t have the exact quote with me in my car, but that's close enough, and I like my version better.

The interviewer asked me of the Salvia users I knew, what are they like? I answered based on my circle of friends and people I know from the net. Most who choose to do Salvia do so initially because they are curious about psychedelics but don’t want to be criminals. Its a legal option; many have families and jobs that would be threatened by using illegal drugs. Also, it is easy to fit into your schedule if you only have a half-hour with no kids, work, or other responsibilities. In under fifteen minutes you could have an effective entheogenic experience and cross that off your "bucket list" or whatever. It also brings some magic and amazement to your day, unlike anything else bound to happen to you in an average lifetime. Think of it as an alternate perspective for self reflection, and you don’t need eight hours of free time to kill.

As I said, most users I know are responsible tax paying citizens. They responsibly choose to make this experience part of their life. They find it a useful tool for many reasons. Some people I know try it and never want to try it again; Salvia isn’t a match for everyone. In fact, sixty percent of all humans -- or most people -- will probably hate it. It can be a totally boundary dissolving; a paradigm smashing experience. For some it totally astonishes them, they come back and simply can’t believe it. They run to a mirror to see if they are indeed themselves -- awake and not dreaming -- and if what they witnessed really happened. It blurs the line between dream and reality. It gives one much to think about...

I’ve always valued entheogens for giving me the ability to reflect on my self. They help you reach a clarity, showing you what's most important in your life. Prior to my first being turned on, I felt like a cultural robot executing the societal code I was programmed to follow. This was the "individuality" and "freedom" I thought I had.

Then I went to an underground party in search of intoxicated girls and a little fun. Upon entry someone handed me a Starburst(TM) candy that had LSD dropped on it. I didn’t even know it until a friend said, "You're going to get really high." I thought... how potent could a Starburst(TM) be? I danced all night, the sound and colors where amazing. I had thoughts I never thought before. I discovered my inner voice. I recall walking in a trance and I heard a voice say: Ok walk over here, find your friends. Don’t look at the gay guys making out. Don’t eat, drink or smoke anything. Sober up. Then I thought: Who said that? Voices? OK Symptom A: you're nuts. No... Once I learned I had this voice commanding my being I was able to use it to make some positive changes in my life. I was able to deal with my subconscious and change my mental programming.

But it was not the drugs alone that helped. I was greatly influenced by some really amazing people who I was fortunate enough to encounter during this period. Mainly Timothy Leary and Terence McKenna, along with many others with similar philosophies. In fact as I speak I can hear Terence's squeaky little voice as if I am channeling him or perhaps just straight out plagiarizing. But in either case I don't think he would mind. Without this experience I would have never taken this path I and that would be a tragedy. Denying psychedelic experience to people should be the crime.

In this blog I must make it clear. I do not use or posses any illegal substances. At this phase in my life, Salvia and psychedelic thinking is more than enough to satisfy my entheogenic needs. In fact, I rarely even use Salvia. I like to read, participate on forums and listen to podcasts. By doing so I am able to benefit simply by taking in other peoples reflections on their experiences.

The thing that really bothers me most is the criminalization of plants. Who the hell do we think we are? If you are religious most likely you believe the earth and everything on it was created by a god. If your a atheist, scientist or evolutionist you probably believe there was a big bang, everything came together and 13 billion years of cosmic evolution labored to bring all the life found on earth in to existence. How egotistical can humans be to come along and declare parts of this miraculous creation illegal? That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard. There is a total disrespect of nature. But look at the environment; this shouldn’t be news to anyone.

The rest of the talk was stuff we all know. The effects of Salvia range from mild to profound and last about 15 minutes. A little of the history of Salvia, up to making her way onto the Internet and probably on her path to extinction. But we wont let her go without our best effort to keep her legal. She is an intelligent plant spirit; skilled in evading the Inquisition and all attempts to stamp shamanic plants out. We talked about the community's attempts to keep Salvia legal. Being that this is not a Federal matter. Its tough enough to organize state by state, now we have to watch things down to county and most likely city ordinances. Just knowing the Federal law of the Country is difficult enough, let alone fighting them all. There is no national organization of Salvia users taking political action. Maybe there should be, but are we too late?

Thank you for reading this. Please feel free to share this with others. I would appreciate a link back to my Blog

Peace and Blessings,

EROCx1

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Salviasite. : 2010-01-01 03:50:47
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EROCx1. : 2008-08-11 15:31:20
I am not able to evaluate the person in the story that was described in Toofs claim. However I am certain that this reaction is not common and if even remotely true, this reaction is not due to Salvia alone. It must have to do with pre-existing mental condition, anxiety or paranoia issues and the person was no longer under the influence by the time they took such unusual actions.

It is a proven fact that the visionary state in which smoked Salvia divinorum delivers does not lasts any greater then 15 minutes. With advanced mediation techniques, this can be prolonged. However not with out great deal of skilled control and effort by the user. It is not a state which people run around town like an out of control maniac There may be some residual effect which can last a little longer, this is most commonly described as an afterglow (a relaxed, anti-depressed state of clarity)

While being under the influence of Salvia no one of sound mind would even consider driving. But let’s just say they were able to smoke Salvia and find their, then drive to a job interview; find a place to park and coincidentally the person conducting the interview just so happened to be ready to receive this person the minute they arrived. This person becomes alarmed with the subject’s behavior and called 911. Then the operator assesses the emergency and dispatches the police who respond and arrest this person for them to carry on with the previously described behavior in less then 15 minutes is highly implausible. I do see how some people educated with all the just say no propaganda may believe it. However anyone with direct experience with this plant will know that this is all someone’s paranoid fantasy. Not fact.

Even the federal government, FDA and DEA have not criminalized Salvia divinorum and they are known to quickly make these things illegal and have the power to place them under temporary emergency scheduling with very little evidence the substance is harmful while they investigate the potential for abuse and / or health risks. Not to mention the fact that in the existing drug laws there is a provision called the analog act which states any compound with similar chemical structure and / or action to an illegal drug is also illegal. This proves Salvia is not like any other illegal compound. So please do not stereotype it with all the negative propaganda and fantasies that haunt the classic psychedelics. All this will do is strip another right away from the people and remove a potential medical miracle from the institution of science. If you are determined to judge the sage, please do so unbiasedly and on its own merits. Not on rumors, stereotypes, stories and propaganda.

people, don't lie to me. : 2008-08-09 07:26:27
gnarls - look, I can tell from your comment that you haven't actually bothered to think through what it is that actually is wrong, and causes bad things to occur here. So perhaps just maybe when people are really caring enough about the world to properly spend time and some effort figuring that out, instead of just bleating the same programmed shit they read in a leaflet or a translated book - maybe then the types of wrongs and mistakes that really are causing the problems, won't happen anymore.

Watch: while it is true that people could all stop hating in unison, and not hurt anyone and so forth, the world is a better place. Fairy dandy. But, if you actually cared and thought about it, you'd wonder how it deviated from that to begin with - because you'd recognise that if you do not understand that part, then it could all go wrong again. Because you haven't addressed the root cause of WHY it went wrong. WHY was it allowed to be able to go wrong. WHY don't people automatically see exactly where their wrong thoughts and actions will lead, and moreover WHY are they not permitted to learn from their mistakes from lifetime to lifetime? WHY are their memories wiped when they reincarnate, so they make the same mistakes all over again.

I'm afraid good sir you are at best a victim of a big scam going on in 4D, because those things you cite are NOT what the problems root causes are. Lots of people who claim to be free and easy and so forth are actually just gateways for everything evil to pass through into here. Hate is just a way of projecting out 'don't come into my (soul) space - don't bother mixing your energy in with mine; I don't like you, you make bad things happen'.

Now the truth is, someone who hasn't done any work on their soul, or just hasn't thought about those kinds of important things, if they take certain drugs or even drink they can suddenly become aware of how bad this world is, and suddenly begin to launch an attack upon it. The failing there overall, is with every person who just goes along with the lies; of course it'll reach breaking point someday and of course isloated outbursts are merely small scale incidents of the complete bedlam that would result if everyone had to admit to & see the truth of it all at the same time.

Additionally, I really do think that you know that so what do you intend to gain by claiming otherwise?

erocx1 : 2008-08-07 00:52:42
This:
"All of the laws that identify victimles crimes are the result of someone's anxiety"

reminded me of this: “Psychedelics are the only known drugs, which have been proven to cause psychotic behavior in subjects who have never taken them.” - Some what quoting Terence McKenna who was quoting Timothy Leary who denies he originated this brilliant remark. So not sure who to credit? But I like it :o)

chaoflux. : 2008-08-06 22:44:21
reminded me of this :

"All of the laws that identify victimles crimes are the result of someone's anxiety. These laws don't limit your freedom, but necessitate caution when you exercise it. The great challenge in contemporary culture is being free without becoming the victim of other's anxiety."-- from ZEN Without Zen Masters, Camden Benares

gnarls. : 2008-08-06 13:38:43
>>rightly hating something so vile and wrong<<
right, hating, wrong.
and that's worked out so well so far.
dr. dee. : 2008-08-06 12:22:47
Get a grip on what exactly? That his reponse to that type of society may well have been 100% correct? Do you even evaluate reactions people have to this mess when you decree they must be out of it, for rightly hating something so vile and wrong.
troof. : 2008-08-06 12:00:01
I wish I were joking. From what I understand, the fellow showed up at the wrong place for the interview, and they quickly called the police. (You could literally see the police station from the building he was in, plenty of time to respond)

I know personally, I have experienced great depersonalization for a half hour or so after an intense salvia experience. I can imagine if I had foolishly scheduled a job interview for that half hour, I may have ended up in a holding cell as well.

Now, I'm not saying salvia should be illegal, far from it. But I do think glossing over the risks involved in its usage is wrong. It's not even any more risky then acid or mushrooms. It's like gnarls said, we have a right to explore, but it IS pretty nuclear. Part of exploring, is accepting that you might get lost. That's a point I don't often hear.

So Erocx1, you may be right about him not being stable enough to trip. Great post, and we'd be glad to have you stick around.

ordinarymystic. : 2008-08-06 11:25:22
As I read your article I found myself nodding in agreement to pretty much everything you wrote. Very well said. I hope the critical points come through in the final presentation of the interview. I'm coming to my own conclusions regarding salvia, based on my own experiences with it. And I fully support everyone's right to have the same opportunities to venture into their own subconscious.
Salvia is evil. : 2008-08-06 02:08:38
I hope they lock up all salvia smokers for at least 50 years per "offence" LOL
EROCx1. : 2008-08-06 00:13:39
Thank you for all the complements and nice feedback and to those who have shared my notes on their blogs. I really appreciate it.

RE: this shit is fuckall strong. I said, "Salvia is not a match for everyone. In fact, sixty percent of all humans -- or most people -- will probably hate it. It can be a totally boundary dissolving; a paradigm smashing experience." But I guess stronger wording could have been used.

Troof, I hope that was sarcasm or a joke. I do not find this plausible, as anyone who smokes Salvia would have returned to equilibrium long before the police would respond to their behavior. If you are presenting this as truth, some one is not telling you the truth or this person has some serious issues and should not be inebriating themselves with anything.

Interesting group here ;-) I think Ill stick around.

Thanks again!
E

canadianhippie. : 2008-08-05 12:41:58
thank you, very well written, exceptionally well informed. thank you
troof. : 2008-08-05 10:55:18
Gnarls knows. I knew a guy that smoke about a quarter ounce of salvia before a job interview. He ended up kicking the window out of a cop car as they dragged him away. When he got out, he declared our town was full of con artists and we all wanted his money, and promptly left, presumably to swat black helicopters in the city. This was about 2 years ago, and he has not yet returned. Now, I'm not saying salvia is directly responsible for this guys freakout, but it sure didn't help him get a grip.
ayajoss. : 2008-08-05 08:21:17
From the bottom of my heart...THANK YOU!
Salvia allow us to reach true knowledge about...what is consciousness, what is the nature of ideas, what is awareness, etc...
Even for the Bill Gates's fortune, I will not let go Cacti, Mush or Salvia.
Life is a mystery to explore.
THANKS AGAIN!!!
guest : 2008-08-04 13:50:12
I applaud your eloquence and clarity. I hope your messages get relayed without distortion.
-Evan

teleomorph.com

dr. dee. : 2008-08-04 11:08:45
It's difficult to emphasise enough how illogical and senseless things are when a plant (or plantlike, to cover things like mushrooms) is made illegal because it can be used for spiritual exploration or just to enhance sensory perceptions and elevate moods.

Anyone agreeing with them being illegal needs to explain why it is ok to, for example, watch a video or listen to music using external electronic devices - but you aren't allowed to eat or otherwise ingest a plant that provides similar (in my opinion far better) entertainment than any media can provide.
I don't think their issues with it are connected to money - I don't think they are worried that nobody would buy their entertainment products anymore, first because it isn't going to entirely replace that anyway if all plants and drugs were legal, and second because it would be easy for them to sell plants and drugs and continue to make money.

If this is to be successfully shown for what it really is - their true reasons for making such things illegal have to be shown. That doesn't mean proving they are interdimensional parasites here to steal souls in court; it only means proving they have no reasonable grounds to be preventing tripping for fun, or for spiritual exploration. They allow far more dangerous sports and hobbies of many kinds to be legal, and people participate in them at their own risk; it isn't like there aren't plenty of existing examples of legal things that pose great dangers to anyone using them. What about driving, what about statistics for safety in the home - even if plants and drugs were really as dangerous as they claim, even if, by that same rationale they should also have to ban just about everything else.

I don't mean this in a flippant way: but those who wish these plants and drugs to be illegal have to begin to admit they have a problem. They have a problem at least as bad as any addiction problem. They have no rational basis at all for any of their arguements against plants and drugs, and they refuse to consider reality; they are not even at the stage an addict is at when they realise they need to stop doing what they are doing to their body and mind.
And as said, even if they had a rationale basis for stopping other people taking plants and drugs - they would have to explain why they are not crusading against driving cars for example, or using stepladders, or going to the cinema. Why pick out plants and drugs from the many things that are potentially very dangerous and / or provide entertainment at a cost.

gnarls. : 2008-08-04 06:52:23
i agree with everything you say, but somewhere in all the pro-salvia stuff we have to keep in plain sight that THIS SHIT IS FUCKALL STRONG, and that, while taking it may not involve permanent damage, you can get in way way way past where you want to be. yes we have a right to explore, but it is pretty nuclear.

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